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by the way, boeing, the faa and ntsb, they all have investigators heading to japan to investigate what happened with that emergency landing. meanwhile, other airlines, which have already taken delivery, they are still flying the dreamliner. this is out of poland making its inaugural flight of the 787. right now, as we speak, maria, in a couple hours. it will be touching down here in chicago. despite airlines saying we're still going to fly, it s & p capital iq downgrading shares of boeing on the concern, maria, that eventually we could see some airline customers saying, you know what, putting me on the dreamliner, i'm skipping that flight so that's the latest of what's happening with boeing. maria? >> want to bring in a couple other voices, michael boyd, aviation expert and on the telephone jim hall, former ntsb chairman, now managing director of hall & associates. good to see everybody. thanks for joining us. would you fly a dreamliner right now? mean, knowing what we know, jim hall, would you -- what would you job advice? >> oh, yes, i would fly the aircraft. i think if there are sig
by the way, boeing, the faa and ntsb, they all have investigators heading to japan to investigate what happened with that emergency landing. meanwhile, other airlines, which have already taken delivery, they are still flying the dreamliner. this is out of poland making its inaugural flight of the 787. right now, as we speak, maria, in a couple hours. it will be touching down here in chicago. despite airlines saying we're still going to fly, it s & p capital iq downgrading shares of boeing...
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the ntsb has an investigator there. today, the ntsb issues a cursecy report about what is happening with the emergency landing saying the crew received multiple messages in the cockpit concerning the battery and other systems that were affected, also reported smoke in the cockpit and odor in the cabin. the the limb ylithium ion batteries are made by a japanese company. there was an incident at logan airport. the stock is down 9% since then as they look into what is going on with the lithium ion batte batteries. finally, weighing in, we heard from goldman sachs. now s&p downgrading boeing shares to a hold that the concern here that ultimately you could see passengers declining to take a potential flight because it's being flown by a 787. we haven't heard that happening yet. and the airlines are sticking with it. with the exception of the airlines grounding it the last couple of days. that's the concern at least from s&p. >> there are nervous flyers out there. they would probably ask that question at check-in. thanks, phi
the ntsb has an investigator there. today, the ntsb issues a cursecy report about what is happening with the emergency landing saying the crew received multiple messages in the cockpit concerning the battery and other systems that were affected, also reported smoke in the cockpit and odor in the cabin. the the limb ylithium ion batteries are made by a japanese company. there was an incident at logan airport. the stock is down 9% since then as they look into what is going on with the lithium ion...
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still, these glitches are under ntsb investigation. wednesday, after boeing defended the aircraft saying the company has "extreme confidence" in its dreamliner, shares gained 3.2% after dropping more than 4.5% earlier this week. "we think boeing has $15 billion wrapped up in the 787, and they're getting single- digit operating margins on this product." boeing's price is about $200 million per plane. ten airlines have lined up to buy 800 of them. none of them listed here are backing out. so far, the faa has not taken action. "if the faa gets issues that public safety is at risk, you'll see action, but that hasn't happened because these are confined to 'technical issues" and has not crossed over to the issue of safety." another reason airline analysts say cancellations are unlikely is, in part, because the other option for most other airlines, airbus, has a six-year waiting list for aircraft. the aig board of directors decided not to sue the u.s. government over the 2008 bailout. aig nearly collapsed after making huge bets on bad mortgag
still, these glitches are under ntsb investigation. wednesday, after boeing defended the aircraft saying the company has "extreme confidence" in its dreamliner, shares gained 3.2% after dropping more than 4.5% earlier this week. "we think boeing has $15 billion wrapped up in the 787, and they're getting single- digit operating margins on this product." boeing's price is about $200 million per plane. ten airlines have lined up to buy 800 of them. none of them listed here are...
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the faa, the ntsb and boeing all sending investigators to japan. as i mentioned with regard to this flight, here's what the ntsb just put out in regards to this emergency landing. it says the crew received multiple messages in the cockpit concerning the battery and systems that were affected. also reported smoke in the cockpit and an odor in the cabin. we've been talking about the lithium ion batteries on the dreamliner. they're made by a company out of japan called gs yuasa. down 9% in the last week. look at that chart. that's the indication the pressure gs yuasa is under as they figure out what's going on with the lithium ion batteries. >> phil lebeau in chicago, thanks so much. >>> the question is, is it time to ground the boeing 787 for good? the vice president of the teal group corporation joins us on the phone. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> should this plane be in commercial service right now in the u.s.? >> right now the regulators are doing their jobs. they're looking at the pattern that has emerged of systemic glitches. right no
the faa, the ntsb and boeing all sending investigators to japan. as i mentioned with regard to this flight, here's what the ntsb just put out in regards to this emergency landing. it says the crew received multiple messages in the cockpit concerning the battery and systems that were affected. also reported smoke in the cockpit and an odor in the cabin. we've been talking about the lithium ion batteries on the dreamliner. they're made by a company out of japan called gs yuasa. down 9% in the...
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former ntsb director peter goelz tells us which saved issue concerns him most about the massive jet. perhaps perhaps even bigger, will the dreamliner ever fly again? tracy: that is crazy. republicans hunker down and plan their next move on the fiscal mess. whiffle they use the debt limit deadline as leverage to cut spending? ashley: here we go again. tracy: i know. ashley: time for stocks. as we mentioned the dow is up trip till digit sits as we do every fifth teen minutes let's head down to nicole on the floor of the new york stock exchange. what is going on? >> we're at session highs we've been seeing at the last 10 minutes or some dollar is lower. oil and gold moving higher. the vix moving back. majority of the dow components are well into the green. market breadth is stellar. 230 million to the upside. 104 lower. so you really doll have broad based buying underway. when i talk to some of the traders i'm hearing numbers on the s&p and 1500 and dow at 13,660. bank of america is down 4.25% today. the biggest loser on the dow jones industrials. what came out with bank of americas, th
former ntsb director peter goelz tells us which saved issue concerns him most about the massive jet. perhaps perhaps even bigger, will the dreamliner ever fly again? tracy: that is crazy. republicans hunker down and plan their next move on the fiscal mess. whiffle they use the debt limit deadline as leverage to cut spending? ashley: here we go again. tracy: i know. ashley: time for stocks. as we mentioned the dow is up trip till digit sits as we do every fifth teen minutes let's head down to...
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as you mentioned, investigators from the faa and ntsb are in japan. we will have more about that in a little bit. mean while, boeing engineers are working on a solution that would allow tlem to slow the faa, listen, we've got this problem under control. it is time to get the dreamliner back in the air. they are meet og an regular basis but there is no timeframe for when they might be able to get the air worthiness redirected. now with regard to the investigators in japan, visiting the ana plane, it's on the tarmac there. they spent today looking at the plane, looking at the battery, and what they are looking for right now are commonalities between this incident in japan and incident in boston. they are also going over data because these planes are constantly giving back data to the airlines as well as to boeing. based on all of that, that is what they will be looking at it see, okay, what went wrong here. what might be the common problem and finally when you look at this battery, keep this in mind. there is so much attention focused on this battery bu
as you mentioned, investigators from the faa and ntsb are in japan. we will have more about that in a little bit. mean while, boeing engineers are working on a solution that would allow tlem to slow the faa, listen, we've got this problem under control. it is time to get the dreamliner back in the air. they are meet og an regular basis but there is no timeframe for when they might be able to get the air worthiness redirected. now with regard to the investigators in japan, visiting the ana...
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the dow, the nasdaq ntsb all up arrows antaeus and b 500 up 1/3%. we held on to this week's gains and the gains of 2013 so far. cheryl: thank you very much. see you at the top of the hour. hey cash only, may be the newest model from the vatican after the bank of italy pulled its authorization to accept credit cards and other a electronic payments from visitors there. according to bank official the vatican has not fully complied with the european union safeguards. money-laundering. a catch only operation also means visitors have to bring cash with them since cash machines have been totally set down. maybe that will be in his address this sunday. could this be the answer to ending the debt ceiling fight? liz macdonald ahead on a crazy debate over the platinum coin. as we go to break we will look at the winners on the nasdaq. the nasdaq is higher as is facebook, expedia and more. vo: this week at officemax everything you can fit in this bag is 20% off. saving 20% on everything your company needs. it's a big deal. check your december 30th sunday paper o
the dow, the nasdaq ntsb all up arrows antaeus and b 500 up 1/3%. we held on to this week's gains and the gains of 2013 so far. cheryl: thank you very much. see you at the top of the hour. hey cash only, may be the newest model from the vatican after the bank of italy pulled its authorization to accept credit cards and other a electronic payments from visitors there. according to bank official the vatican has not fully complied with the european union safeguards. money-laundering. a catch only...
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what's going on in the ntsb lab, seeing the charred batteries from the 787 dreamliner that was the one that had to be put out in boston. well, now they still say they do not know the exact cause of the batteries catching fire. as for those batteries and one other component, the charger, the charger for the batteries built by a company called secureaplane, a plant out in tucson, arizona. back in 2006, there was a fire involving lithium ion batteries for the 787 at the secureaplane plant. a worker there warned the company about the batteries and the chargers and the possibility of fires. >> these lithium ion batteries, too much heat and they'll explode. it will be a nightmare. >> michael leon was dismissed from the company for repeated problems on the job. secureaplane told me yesterday the battery charger for the dreamliner was successfully tested. there was a fire in the facility in 2006 during one test. however, the current boeing 787 investigation is unrelated to the 2006 fire. take a look at shares of boeing, it is worth noting, we're showing you a chart going back to the 17th. that
what's going on in the ntsb lab, seeing the charred batteries from the 787 dreamliner that was the one that had to be put out in boston. well, now they still say they do not know the exact cause of the batteries catching fire. as for those batteries and one other component, the charger, the charger for the batteries built by a company called secureaplane, a plant out in tucson, arizona. back in 2006, there was a fire involving lithium ion batteries for the 787 at the secureaplane plant. a...
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but we have the faa all over the airplane, the ntsb all over the airplane. i think the risk for the -- i see two camps on this stock. you have the teethers, those who believe everything is a teether problem, and the tip of the icebergers saying could this be something else. i think with this investigation going on and the faa already actively on the airplane, it will be difficult to take event, especially if it's a severe event, and say, this is fine, this is fine. long term they're going to sort it out. i agree with what jim cramer said, i'm in the same camp that said, why not do a derivative play on this story, if you have more risk maybe someone like spirit aero systems. >> at what point do you say this is the point of fear of investors are running? that's the time to get in the stock. we've seen that in different scenarios, that we don't know what we don't know, as you said. that is exactly the time you wanted to go in. what's going to make that turning point for you, do you think? >> well, i have to say, because there's a formal investigation, normally
but we have the faa all over the airplane, the ntsb all over the airplane. i think the risk for the -- i see two camps on this stock. you have the teethers, those who believe everything is a teether problem, and the tip of the icebergers saying could this be something else. i think with this investigation going on and the faa already actively on the airplane, it will be difficult to take event, especially if it's a severe event, and say, this is fine, this is fine. long term they're going to...
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the ntsb is now investigating the 787 on the tarmac at logan airport yesterday morning, catching fire, after the plane had landed. the crew and the passengers had all deported. the fire was found in a compartment with batteries and electrical components. and again the passengers and crew were not on board during the fire. but this is the fourth incident since november or since december 4th where we've had a problem with the dreamliner. now remember united had its first domestic 787 flight back on november 4th. just a month later united had a flight from houston to newark, it made an emergency landing in new orleans. after experiencing mechanical problems, a loss of power. qatar air on december 9th said it grounded one of its 737 -- or 787s because of a faulty generator. similar problem, loss of power in flight. and then on december 14th, united grounds two of its four dreamliners due to problems with an electrical panel and then finally, yesterday you have the emergency crews responding to a 787 fire at logan airport. now the dreamliner, and this is of particular concern to people, it
the ntsb is now investigating the 787 on the tarmac at logan airport yesterday morning, catching fire, after the plane had landed. the crew and the passengers had all deported. the fire was found in a compartment with batteries and electrical components. and again the passengers and crew were not on board during the fire. but this is the fourth incident since november or since december 4th where we've had a problem with the dreamliner. now remember united had its first domestic 787 flight back...
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three weeks since the ntsb started looking into the liners. all 7873 liners were grounded. they will shift their focus away to the battery maker. none of this is good news for boeing who hopes to get the dreamliner, of course, back up in the air. do not count out boeing. the report came in better than expected. it was largely due to a 10% drop. melissa: the latest news on the battery is just so tough. they have looked at it and said, we do not know what the problem is. that is almost the worst thing that can happen. they say they have not lost orders. it will be interesting to see how long that lasts. the pentagon warns that pay cuts are underway. fox news jennifer griffin is at the pentagon with the details. >> hi, alyssa. defense secretary panetta was we are not planning for sequestration. those deep across-the-board budget cuts appear inevitable. the looming deadline is march 1. ashton carter warned hundreds of thousands of pentagon civilian employees. the employees would lose one day of work per week through september. they are planning to eliminate altogether 46,000 te
three weeks since the ntsb started looking into the liners. all 7873 liners were grounded. they will shift their focus away to the battery maker. none of this is good news for boeing who hopes to get the dreamliner, of course, back up in the air. do not count out boeing. the report came in better than expected. it was largely due to a 10% drop. melissa: the latest news on the battery is just so tough. they have looked at it and said, we do not know what the problem is. that is almost the worst...
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the ntsb made the request after recently learning of incidents that occurred before the battery fire on an al nippon airways jet at boston's logan airport on january 7. >>> and it replaced batteries on 787 jets ten times after they felt it charged improperly or showed other problems and told boeing about the swaps. the airline has replaced batteries on its dreamliners. boeing reports four-kwourth earnings at 7:30 eastern to see. we'll be talking about this. mr. lebow will have the inside track. >> yes, excited for that. >>> a mixed victory for samsung electronics. this after a u.s. federal court rejected apple's bid to raise $1 billion damages paid by samsung in a patent infringement case. u.s. district court judge lucy coe said samsung did violate several of apple's patents in smartphone and tablet products but said it wasn't willful and threw out the request to hike damages on samsung. she also denied samsung's request for a new trial. this just continues to go back and forth between the companies. >> yeah. that's going to run, isn't it? >>> here's a look at the agenda in asia tomo
the ntsb made the request after recently learning of incidents that occurred before the battery fire on an al nippon airways jet at boston's logan airport on january 7. >>> and it replaced batteries on 787 jets ten times after they felt it charged improperly or showed other problems and told boeing about the swaps. the airline has replaced batteries on its dreamliners. boeing reports four-kwourth earnings at 7:30 eastern to see. we'll be talking about this. mr. lebow will have the...
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. >> reporter: the ntsb releasing an investigate on the battery investigation saying they have moved on from macroscopic investigation to a microscopic investigation. that includes chemical analysis of the areas that short circuited and checking flight data recorders. bottom line, still don't know a cause behind the incidents involving the two dreamliners. we should also point tomorrow morning on "squawk box" we'll be having the boeing fourth-quarter earnings, the first time we'll hear from the ceo since these incidents. sure to be questioned about what happens with the dreamliner tomorrow morning when boeing reports earnings. guys, back to you. >> thanks so much, phil lebeau. the dow jones industrial average 50 points away from 14,000. that 200 points away frommin a all-time high reached back in 2007. if you think that's made marc faber less bearish, you'd be very wrong. despite, that marc is the man behind the gloom, doom and boom report and joins me now to talk markets. good to see you, marc. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. thank you for having me. >> so you say regardless
. >> reporter: the ntsb releasing an investigate on the battery investigation saying they have moved on from macroscopic investigation to a microscopic investigation. that includes chemical analysis of the areas that short circuited and checking flight data recorders. bottom line, still don't know a cause behind the incidents involving the two dreamliners. we should also point tomorrow morning on "squawk box" we'll be having the boeing fourth-quarter earnings, the first time...
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the ffa and ntsb are investigating both of these incidents. the one involved in the oklahoma crash, according to ntsb, it's had 12 crashes since 2011 with 20 fatalities. that's a fairly significant record. >> fairly. that's awful. that's a pretty awful record. >> it certainly is. again, we've reached out to both companies for comment. we have not heard back yet. faa and ntsb investigating what happened yesterday. >> thank you, todd brian. i'd like you to stay on top of this for us. >> sure. >>> the high-tech method the united states used to kill this guy. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. hello? ally bank. your money needs an ally. i've always kept my eye on her... but with so much health care noise, i didn't always watch out for myself. with unitedhealthcare, i get personalized information and rewards for addressing my health risks. but she's still going to give me a heart attack.
the ffa and ntsb are investigating both of these incidents. the one involved in the oklahoma crash, according to ntsb, it's had 12 crashes since 2011 with 20 fatalities. that's a fairly significant record. >> fairly. that's awful. that's a pretty awful record. >> it certainly is. again, we've reached out to both companies for comment. we have not heard back yet. faa and ntsb investigating what happened yesterday. >> thank you, todd brian. i'd like you to stay on top of this...
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the chair of the ntsb said investigators have found what she called symptoms in the battery fire of a jet in boston but she adds they have not yet found the cause of the problem. she calls the problems an unprecedented event. its been grounded around the world since last week. >>> a new strain of nora virus is spreading in the united states. the cdc said that the virus strain has caused 140 outbreaks here. the strain has already hit japan and western europe. symptoms include vomiting and diarrhea. >>> huge flames a building fire in mass but it was the freezing conditions that proved more challenging for firefighters. spray from fire hoses formed ice and made for slippery conditions on the ground. ice formed on helmets and jackets while they knocked down the flames. the cause of the fire is still under investigation. >> the senate is set to vote monday on a 50 billion-dollar emergency relief bill to help victims of sandy. lawmakers new york, new jersey and connecticut say it's urgently needed. sandy hit the east coast last october killing 140 people and destroying homes and businesses.
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the ntsb is on the way with the investigation team. >> alison kosik thank you so much. >>> the u.s. hit the debt ceiling and is only about two months before it must raise the borrowing limit or risk a default on the bills. what should the country do. ben stein joins us next with his answers and a weigh in on president obama's pick. rises hi. morning starts in high spirits, but there's a growing pain in his lower back. as lines grow longer, his pain continues to linger. but after a long day of helping others, he gets some helpful advice. just two aleve have the strength to keep back pain away all day. today, jason chose aleve. just two pills for all day pain relief. try aleve d for strong, all day long sinus and headache relief. >>> the 112th congress was the least productive congress ever. they fought about everything, the campaign, the fiscal cliff, you name it and now the 113th congress is drawing battle lines over president obama's cabinet picks. the grid lock seems endless. no stranger to this ben stein. he was a speech writer and lawyer for president richard nixon. he is a come
the ntsb is on the way with the investigation team. >> alison kosik thank you so much. >>> the u.s. hit the debt ceiling and is only about two months before it must raise the borrowing limit or risk a default on the bills. what should the country do. ben stein joins us next with his answers and a weigh in on president obama's pick. rises hi. morning starts in high spirits, but there's a growing pain in his lower back. as lines grow longer, his pain continues to linger. but after...
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we're waiting to see the results of the ntsb investigation to make a decision about what it all means. so frankly, we're saying to investors is, look, we can't say with any conviction level that there's a certain entry point where we want to jump in here and buy. what we want is more data. if you own boeing shares here, i think you hang on. i think the long-term outcome of this is that they will sort through the problems. you can see airbus this morning expressing confidence that they think boeing, their competitor will sort through the problems. but right now, you know, you're dealing with emotion and you're dealing with news flow, which is very hard for investors to forecast. >> there but for the grace of god for airbus. they're not going to crash airbus. >> look the safety of all things for airplane manufacturers, the one thing they can all agree within, the one thing they share data on, the one thing they're all committed to is safety. >> if it leaks out of the battery and has a weird smell, it's not a fire. >> yeah, that's really the important thing about what happened yesterday.
we're waiting to see the results of the ntsb investigation to make a decision about what it all means. so frankly, we're saying to investors is, look, we can't say with any conviction level that there's a certain entry point where we want to jump in here and buy. what we want is more data. if you own boeing shares here, i think you hang on. i think the long-term outcome of this is that they will sort through the problems. you can see airbus this morning expressing confidence that they think...
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meanwhile, here in the united states, the ntsb continues to look at the japan airline 787 battery, but in reverse of what we're seeing in japan, they say this battery was not overcharged. the investigators are in arizona today visiting the battery charger manufacturer. that is a company called secure a plane. it's a subsidiary of mega plc out of the uk. over the last couple of days, that's seen a little bit of pressure as well. what we're seeing is an investigation where they haven't been able to square up what happened in japan with what happened in boston, so as a result, they're going to start diving further into the components that go into the dreamliner, and are connected and work with the battery to see if they can find out exactly what went wrong. and then from there, they might have a better sense of how to correct the situation. guys, back to you. >> now, phil, because these two regulatory agencies on opposite sides of the ocean are seeing different things in their investigation. does that tell you that the investigation may be much longer than anticipated? >> well, yeah, it w
meanwhile, here in the united states, the ntsb continues to look at the japan airline 787 battery, but in reverse of what we're seeing in japan, they say this battery was not overcharged. the investigators are in arizona today visiting the battery charger manufacturer. that is a company called secure a plane. it's a subsidiary of mega plc out of the uk. over the last couple of days, that's seen a little bit of pressure as well. what we're seeing is an investigation where they haven't been able...
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mayor, ntsb chairman debby hirzman on the list but again, like you said whoever they pick, you really hope they get somebody that can sort of carry the torch. >> ray was a republican, offered high-speed rail money like let's start with rick scott of florida, a state that's designed for high-speed rail. created geographically and they turned down the money. so did idiot john kasic in ohio. they raised that money and gave it to other governors who are willing and see, have the vision to see this is the future. it's sad that the people of those states because of their, you know, dirt-brain governors are not going to get that. >> we used to have that clip. i think you asked him a question. he ripped into republicans and said, you know, when i was in the congress we did things differently. >> meredith, this is unfair, i know, but about a minute left to go. we are talking gun violence. we are talking climate control room. nobody is talking right now about the fiscal cliff or the fiscal crisis but welcome to another -- >> a lovely respite. >> it is. but we are going to come back to another f
mayor, ntsb chairman debby hirzman on the list but again, like you said whoever they pick, you really hope they get somebody that can sort of carry the torch. >> ray was a republican, offered high-speed rail money like let's start with rick scott of florida, a state that's designed for high-speed rail. created geographically and they turned down the money. so did idiot john kasic in ohio. they raised that money and gave it to other governors who are willing and see, have the vision to see...
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the ntsb is investigating what happened. he says really it was a matter of minutes before that rescue could have turned into a recovery. wolf? >> they are both very, very lucky indeed. mary, thanks for that report. appreciate it very much. they are. >> so lucky. that instructor, what a hero in trying to get out of that plane. >> amazing. >> oh, my god. i have goosebumps thinking about how cold that water is. oh, my goodness. very, very lucky. >>> still ahead, here's a question for you. what do doughnuts and marriage proposals have in common? ponder that one. jeanne moos will have that next. ♪ good morning, turtle. ♪ my friends are all around me ♪ my friends, they do surround me ♪ ♪ i hope this never ends ♪ and we'll be the best of friends ♪ ♪ all set? all set. [ male announcer ] introducing the reimagined 2013 chevrolet traverse, with spacious seating for up to eight. imagine that. >>> fair warning, friends. look away now if you are afraid of heights. that is nick wallenda keeping up his family tradition of d
the ntsb is investigating what happened. he says really it was a matter of minutes before that rescue could have turned into a recovery. wolf? >> they are both very, very lucky indeed. mary, thanks for that report. appreciate it very much. they are. >> so lucky. that instructor, what a hero in trying to get out of that plane. >> amazing. >> oh, my god. i have goosebumps thinking about how cold that water is. oh, my goodness. very, very lucky. >>> still ahead,...